sandra

No offense. But I don’t buy that.
I’ll come back much later because I also have to work like you ladies. I just snooped in. Great conversation!

It is worth remembering that Jesus knew in detail the whole course his earthly life take from his conception onwards because of his divine, infinite knowledge as God. (Catholic faith teaches that Christ has two intellegences: human and divine.) This is shown by what he says in reply to Mary. However, Mary realized that his reply contained a deeper meaning which she did not grasp. She grew to understand it as the life of Jesus unfolded. Mary’s knowledge that Jesus was the Christ and her reverence towards him led her not to ask any further questions but to reflect on Jesus’ words and behaviour in this instance, as she had done on other occasions. (Lk 2:19)

Jesus, perfect man, also had acquired knowledge just as all of us have. We come to know through our own effort, starting with sense knowledge. In fact, we don’t know anything that did not pass through our senses. When we say that Christ had this kind of knowledge, and that he thus gradually became more knowledgeable), it simply follows from accepting the incarnation of Christ as a real fact and the assertion that he has assumed a true human nature (and therefore, a nature with limitations).

So your Reciting the Scripture again. Very Good place to find answers!!

But I was under the immpresion that in the times in which Jesus lived, a younge man (at least in Palestina)
was much more educated in the scriptures(Thora) than the young men of today! (at that time a 12year old would be clased as a “young Man”) So not too far fetched,to think he, also would be (possibly even more so)

Just a thought!

sandra

We should be so lucky!!! It`s been raining here (Germany) for at least a week and is just about 14degrees+
We need the Heating on!

sandra

Karen LH,

Apparently, rabbis did not only teach sitting. It seems that disciples were also called “followers” because they did not only follow the mind of their teacher but literally followed their master who would also teach while walking. This practice can easily escape attention without a careful reading of scriptural texts. Just to cite a few: “A scribe came up to him, ‘Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go’.” (Mt 8:19); “But Jesus said to him, ‘Follow me and leave the dead bury the dead’.” (Mt 8:22); “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” (Lk 14:27) A good reference on this is J. Mouroux’s “I believe. The personal structure of faith.”

Nevertheless, I’d like to point out why it makes more sense that Christ was not lecturing the temple teachers when he was there at age twelve.

Catholic faith sustains the Jesus Christ is perfect God and perfect man. The perfection of his humanity means that he reached maturity following the different stages of human life. Hence, we don’t find in the Gospels a baby Jesus that talked on the night he was born because babies have to develop first the right shape of the mouth and have to hear first before they begin saying a word. The following passage from St Luke tells about Jesus Christ: “Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.”(Lk 2:52)

Now, if we would say that Christ was teaching at the age of 12 (moreover, to experts in the temple) that will mean his human skills to communicate must be as developed as that of a full-grown man. Moreover, his vocabulary must be enough to elaborate, let’s say, a parable to lecture the teachers. This seems not consistent with our faith in Jesus Christ.

till later sandra

KarenLH.
I dont think that Rome had to wait 20years to get HOLD of the case,as it was “the talk of the town” at the time…And besides I`m sure that nobody would have dared to anounce that Jeanne d¬¥Arc was to be condemnd an Heretic in the name of the Roman Catholic Church,(with, all, the that time Catholic society looking on) without the Pope or at least somebody in Rome knowing about it.(as it did take quite a while to finaly convict her.) But enough on `just¬¥one mistaken `burning¬¥

sandra

OK. I thought I’d heard somewhere that she had tried to appeal to Rome and been prevented. If I have time I’ll try to hunt around this evening and figure out where I got the idea. For now, off to do some housecleaning (ugh!).

But (here I go again lack of Humility) When Callistus Reversed conviction it was expiedient for him to do so As no` Most Holy ´ King could have been anointed with the help of a convicted Witch-heretic and still be recognised by the Holly Church

Winifred Thanks for the advice.I`ll try to follow it as far as the praying for Faith is concernd.
About “Questioning” i have a few quotations on the subject for you (and others) if interested I`ll have to look them up though( and translate from German into English…But,first I have to have Dinner,
so give me a bit…

sandra

Not in my books! The Bishops, Cardials and so on tried to make her retract the fact that she heard voices (angel Micheal)and that she was sent by God to assist The `Dauphin¬¥Charles against the English ..when she didn`t,they said that she was a unrepentant heretic…The duke of Bedford (I think?) bought her from the Duke of Burgandy for a large summ And insisted that the `Church¬¥put her on trial for those charges!!!Politics and the `church¬¥were synanome at that time ( also today in some respects)..

sandra